I see literally no evidence of this. Round 4) Bloodlusted. And? Shouldn't you extend this courtesy to yourself as well? If you're talking about old EU Darth Plagueis novel then it actually makes things worse for Maul. They were both performing it. I never said force lightning isn't relevant. and Plagueis doesn't care about breaking the rule of two for him, clearly implying that he didn't see him as a threat. Nothing but pawn from the start to finish. Welcome to the forums! She uses the Force, the whole lore behind the Night Sisters from their origins is they are "witches" with the dark side for the most part and don't use the Force the same way the Jedi or Sith do. Take a second to look at our. Which of Sidious' apprentices would win in a fight? Unless I see a definitive statement that it's about skill I consider it not clear. Count Dooku for me is just the smarter, more elegant and in any field more sophisticated guy. Round 5) EU Maul, Dooku, and Vader vs Sidious. Even though he was adopted fett was descended from cassus so he was always one by blood. That doesn't mean that I didn't enjoy the double-light-saber-combats of Maul. What? Maul, cut down in his prime as the assassin for Darth Sidious in The Phantom Menace. Even in the Clone Wars show Dooku always had the advantage even in two on one situations vs Anakin and Obi where as Obi and Maul looked even. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Count Dooku vs Darth Maul, who would win? >dat Force crush on the last Dark Trooper. Darth Maul with no legs vs. Count Dooku without hands. Two seconds after realizing Maul had more important things to do, he casually TK'd Grievous out of the window of the tower and put an end to their duel: You are grasping at straws here. You are using an out of date browser. No idea if you made this up or fell for some kind of bullshit but nothing suggests Talazin wasn't a naturally gifted Force-User in the TV show or expanded materials. They were then led in secret by Concordia's governor, Pre Vizsla of Clan Vizsla, and Duchess Satine Kryze's sister, Bo-Katan. You are speed-reading my posts and missing vital clues to my statement and assertions. Are we on the same page here? Darth Maul would win because he focuses on rage and anger which Dooku doesn't defend well against. 0. And few seconds later he comes back to kill Talzin. How is the lightning not relevant? He needs to let her go. "Count Dooku's fall has troubled us all," Obi-Wan acknowledged. deactivated-579f93e2e4122. He used him only once in a Sith sorcery technique because of his bond with Yoda as the latter's former apprentice to try and break Yoda's spirit. Her comments were about her using it for magic, nothing more nothing less. Dooku may have recognized the saberstaff's design and attempted to cut it in half before Maul activated it, but Maul's ferocity left that tactic un-worthwhile to Dooku. Yes Anakin could best Dooku in a duel. Maul Respect Thread. That has nothing to do with Talzin naturally stalemating Windu on her lonesome in her own body with little effort. 42 comments. Welcome to the forums! Count Dooku couldn't even match up to Anakin Skywalker when the latter was holding back, and was being bamboozled by Obiwan Kenobi in terms of dueling. The same pirates that shut off Maul's mechanical leg and forced him to run away. Since it was annexed, and all Mandalorians were forced to leave by the Galactic Empire. You legitimately still have brought no evidence or proof of this other than hearsay and an unverified claim that Talzin was somehow being magically boosted despite again; no statement from the omniscient narration, the visuals, or statements indicating Talzin was being actively or passively buffed by being on Dathomir. Since he's an older age and therefore unable to store as much information in his mind, Dooku probably lost track of it once Maul began to utilize the duel wielding style and when Dooku started trying to defeat Maul … No, nor is it necessary. As he takes over the criminal underworld of the galaxy. Yeah. Darth Maul vs Count Dooku. Every single statement from Sidious indicates Maul was always intended to be his successor and heir prior to his apparent "demise" at the end of Episode 1. Your claiming that because Maul casually held off Grievous then TK'd him out of the tower's window so he eventually came back when Talzin intentionally sacrificed herself for Maul to escape proves that Grievous is a match for Maul as a duelist? The argument isn't working there, pal. At least he considers himself one. And again I say to that all: so what? You must log in or register to reply here. The only force powers allowed are those necessary for saber combat. Dooku could hold Vader off for awhile till Ren dies, and Maul might actually defeat Vader in a 1v1 saber duel, do to his vast knowledge and skill of and with a lightsaber. Battle. It's just a reference book with a bunch of random stuff in it. I'm not even sure if it's suposed to be taken as canon to begin with. Your argument hinges on a possessed-Dooku who Talzin's spirit was just *recently* taking being called "sloppy" or less skilled then Sidious is not concrete evidence that Talzin at her normal level can easily contest and match blades with Windu; a duelist who is vastly superior to Dooku and credibly even Sidious for that matter. So for now let's say I'll come back to it later. JavaScript is disabled. The nightsisters magick comes from taping into the spirit ichor (the green substance) that runs within Dathomir (stated in the Star Wars encyclopedia). Maybe even 7/10—'cause Maul won't quit until he's completely out.'' Maul focuses on rage and anger, something Dooku doesn't defend well against. Forum Posts. When it comes to Star Wars, most of the Sith Lords from the prequel trilogy retain the title of "Darth," from Sidious, to Maul, to Vader.. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It's generally confirmed that Vader beats Malak, but *RAMPANTOX MUST NOT READ PAST THIS POINT* can these two slightly lesser Sith do it? Maul because his greatest strength is Dooku's greatest weakness: rage. But Maul was raised in first line to become an assassin, while Dooku was a wanderer between the two worlds giving him much more facets to glow everywhere he appeared. My immediate follow-up to Qui-Gon Jinn Vs. Darth Vader that I threw together practically overnight. It comes with the armor, and there's a long line of succession with it. They call mando a cultist then adhere to this rule that has never existed before lol. Count Dooku, also known as Darth Tyranus or Lord Tyranus, was a Human Jedi Master and the former Padawan of Jedi Grand Master Yoda as well as the official head of state of the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Disney canon is dogshit though. Yeah I was worried that Filloni's influence would of had Ashoka take over too much as it seems he wants her to be the new SW main character, >we finally get that Boba Fett centered series rumored to have been planned all the way back in the 2000s. Who will win in a fight between Darth Vader & Darth Sidious and Team Count Dooku? Simply broken down, no Anakin/Chosen One? I was already pleasantly surprised they brought back Boba and even had Temura Morrison play him so I am hoping they just ditch the sequels and give us real long time SW fans some needed quality and not that pathetic cheap ass attempt involved with the Sequels. This being a result of fighting Darth Sidious, who you've still yet to prove Dooku can match the power output of.Dooku's ability to inflict pain doesn't preclude Maul's ability to overcome it and fight back, which he obviously isn't in a position to do so here. Also even in the RotS novelization when he catches Obi-Wan offguard with a Force-Choke during the duel on the Invisible Hand, the narration directly states had Obi-Wan been fractionally faster he would've defended successfully against Dooku indicating Dooku was nowhere as strong or the gap was as big between him and the Jedi as lead to believe. Come on man, don't even go there when Dooku was kidnapped by space pirates. It doesn't trump the latter either for that very reason. In this book Maul is stated to be trained not as a true sith. Sidious is quite fine with having Maul who already had potential to be greater than Talzin and Windu, Force-Users on par with a man who was already on his way to becoming the most powerful Sith Lord in history. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on December 17th 2020, 11:18 pm @lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: does lucas acknowledge ben getting less skilled by any chance? With both of them induced with rage they choose to kill each … Which made filoni’s attempts to argue he wasn’t in tcw all the more bruh worthy, How many times has mando taken the helmet off lol, I wonder if their gonna have Kast show up in the Mandalorian, I mean Ashoka was getting her ass fondled by older women in TCW. This to the point that he had to compromise on his gentleman's code, and cheat against them. I never said anything about Windu. Which apprentice to Darth … Yeah I was worried that Filloni's influence would of had Ashoka take over too much as it seems he wants her to be the new SW main character but if her role was small and not overwhelming and they gave some much needed respect back to Luke than I hope this either retcons the Sequels or at least means they will focus on an alternate timeline that takes more from the Old EU instead. This is also factually untrue. It just proves that Tyranus' dark side knowledge was more developed then Mauls. 96% Upvoted. Also you have yet to actually give a rebuttal to Plagueis enraging Sidious by calling Maul expendable when all of the actual evidence of Sidious shows him regarding Maul as a true apprentice and successor where as in both canons, Sidious never truly cared about Dooku and he only served as a stop-gap between Maul to Anakin. The fight was inconclusive, thats all. No, because he did took active role in the ritual, so he had to have some knowledge about sith magic. A former Jedi Master-turned-Sith Lord and the second apprentice … DARTH MALAK VS: COUNT DOOKU OR DARTH MAUL Anything goes. Don't honestly care if you don't take my word for it or not. You are forgeting important details like Talzin being naturally stronger on Dathomir and her draining power from Dooku before the fight. Also still honestly laughing at the whole bit of you saying "Windu is bad against bounty hunters". Also double checking the novel, Sidious does get angry *but hides it* from Plagueis when the latter dismisses Maul as nothing more than a hyper efficient weapon to the Grand Plan. In the Clone Wars, when Dooku was fighting Savage Opress (who uses a double-bladed lightsaber like Maul, I might add) he was owning Savage in with the Force but whenever it came down to lightsaber combat Savage would constantly knock him down easily. It literally refers to top five duelists who use red lightsabers. Round 2) Movies and TCW. In fact the actual perspective in the next page shows the Force Lightning from Talzin and Sidious are relatively in parity to distance from her and Sidious in the next panel while Dooku is rising from the ground after she left his body: No it isn't. hide. Round 1) Movies only. Specifically in regards to swordsmanship. It looks like Boba Fett is gonna be the main character for season three, and it's even called the Book of Boba. Even meeting the Sith Lord who had killed Qui-Gon had not been the same. 0. In 2 vs 1 and after geting purposely tounted into the dark side with Dooku not even trying to kill him. Dooku was born into a rich family on the planet Serenno and was to become the future Count of his homeworld, however, he instead chose to become a Jedi, training under Yoda before becoming a Jedi Master. Oh, there's also a scene there where Plagueis meets Dooku and for a moment he considers replacing Sidious with him. Disney "canon" is an entire different continuity from Lucas canon. She was disarmed because she had relatively "just" recently possessed him a few minutes before Sidious showed up with Grievous and his droid army on Dathomir. Especially since historically, going into the old canon/Lucas continuity, Dooku has *always* avoided tangoing or fighting Windu at every turn. So that clearly didn't end the fight. Once one of the most respected members of the Jedi Order, the death of his former Padawan, Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn, as well as the corruption he saw in the Republic left him disil… Unless they also tie in the reclamation of Mandalore into the story. share. It basically is. Count Dooku of Serenno, also known by his Sith title Darth Tyranus, is a fictional character in the Star Wars franchise created by George Lucas.He first appeared in Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones (2002), portrayed by Christopher Lee, who reprised his role in Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith (2005). Sidious wen't far enough to teach Dooku things like Force Lightning and Sith Magic. Considering Talzin and Sidious were stuck in a stalemate as they were dueling with Force Lightning and the stalemate between the two never changed even when Maul aided his mother and Dooku supported Sidious. the panel you posted is just from a dutch-angle perspective and the blasts appear to be meeting half-way between the two of them. I'll also happily repeat that the one time Dooku was immediately challenged by Windu, who unlike Maul, took him on head to head...Dooku ran away after blind siding Windu by knocking some battle-droids into him as he went into a pit and fucked off the planet immediately. For there can only be two, a Master and an Apprentice. As a duelist he, Keep in mind Count Dooku even resorted to. Nah. That's nice. Canon Mace doesn't have as good of a record as the legends versions and he even struggled against bounty hunters. See more ideas about count dooku, star wars universe, star wars art. So what are you rambling about? Which also explains why Obiwan was even able to fight Anakin. Where is the evidence Talzin is not a natural Force-User? - Jeremy Barlow And even Savage disarmed Dooku, and only lost because Dooku was more powerful in the force. Because that would be another good thing. Kapeesh? If only all of the sequels were like this. It is relevant in regards [to their teachings. Maul beat Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon and without any Force shenanigans, Maul would have the advantage over Dooku. Dooku knows nothing of Sith or dark side sorcery on his own and Maul not yet learning Force Lightning is irrelevant because in neither continuity is it indicated Sidious delibarately withheld from teaching Force Lightning to him. If I remember it right Talzin is not even a natural force user to begin with. You must log in or register to reply here. Sidious never taught Dooku any Sith magic. Starkiller meeting luke would’ve been much cooler than Luke meeting ahsoka. Take a second to look at our. Superhero battle match: Darth Vader & Darth Sidious versus Team Count Dooku. Darth Maul, later simply Maul, is a fictional character and a major antagonist in the Star Wars franchise.A powerful Zabrak Sith lord and Darth Sidious' first known apprentice, he first appeared in Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace (1999), portrayed by Ray Park and voiced by Peter Serafinowicz.Though seemingly killed by Obi-Wan Kenobi at the end of the film, he returned in … Yes, I was talking about disney canon, I thought this is obvious after the discussion of the first page. This is using the disney Canon 12-22-2015, 02:00 AM #2. Following the end of the Mandalorian Civil War, the Mandalorian warriors were exiled to the moon of Concordia, where most of them died out. Jan 31, 2019 - This one better be glad he died before I got to him. After Maul's seeming demise and twelve year absence came fallen Jedi and Count of Serenno, Dooku, who adopted the name Darth Tyranus. I'm not seeing how my point was refuted here. It proves that Grievaus is good enough to hold his own and Maul's force push is not enough to finish him. This is completely irrelevant to the. Today, Count Dooku faces off with Darth Maul to defend his position as Sidious' one and true apprentice. This thread is archived. Takes place on Kamino docking platforms. He had never come up against something that had completely overpowered him. Rechecked, there's the old conversation where Sidious talks to Vader about Maul and how he had a Force-Bond of sorts with Maul; so when the events of the duel's outcome on Naboo went down, he felt a tremendous blow to himself and the dark side when Maul was seemingly "killed". I think bo katan said he wasn’t. At so… It is from the same Disney Canon you like so much. And even Savage disarmed Dooku, and only lost because Dooku was more powerful in the force. Everything to do with how well they wield a lightsaber, and even. 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